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	<title>Comments on: Psychological Causes of Violence in Sports Riots</title>
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		<title>By: Ravi Iyer</title>
		<link>http://www.yourmorals.org/blog/2010/06/psychological-causes-of-violence-in-sports-riots/comment-page-1/#comment-457</link>
		<dc:creator>Ravi Iyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2010 17:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very cool convergent story, Jason.  It&#039;s nice when real world phenomena make sense when put together with semi-artificial lab based studies.  Thanks for sharing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very cool convergent story, Jason.  It&#8217;s nice when real world phenomena make sense when put together with semi-artificial lab based studies.  Thanks for sharing.</p>
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		<title>By: jason taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.yourmorals.org/blog/2010/06/psychological-causes-of-violence-in-sports-riots/comment-page-1/#comment-456</link>
		<dc:creator>jason taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2010 16:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes actually I do have a thought as to why victors might riot. And that comes from history and sociology not science. However I would have to credit it to testosterone. The &quot;flight or flight&quot; mechanism does not just shut down when it is no longer needed. It requires substantial brakes otherwise it will have what might be called a &quot;fox in the henhouse syndrome&quot;. 

Many of the most famous atrocities in history were not caused by the ill-will of the commander&#039;s so much as losing control of troops. It used to be an axiom of military lore that if a position is taken by storm, one could not count on the safety of anyone surrendering. If I recall that was shown in Saving Private Ryan when several Germans defending a hill at Normandy were killed at the moment of surrender. A real life example was one East India Company officer in charge of a Ghurkha unit chasing dacoits(bandit tribes).  The dacoits had holed up in a tough position and the Ghurkhas had to storm them. What was interesting was that the officer boasted that none of the dacoit women had been molested. In other words he took it for granted that soldiers would lose control and thought it a matter of pride that they hadn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes actually I do have a thought as to why victors might riot. And that comes from history and sociology not science. However I would have to credit it to testosterone. The &#8220;flight or flight&#8221; mechanism does not just shut down when it is no longer needed. It requires substantial brakes otherwise it will have what might be called a &#8220;fox in the henhouse syndrome&#8221;. </p>
<p>Many of the most famous atrocities in history were not caused by the ill-will of the commander&#8217;s so much as losing control of troops. It used to be an axiom of military lore that if a position is taken by storm, one could not count on the safety of anyone surrendering. If I recall that was shown in Saving Private Ryan when several Germans defending a hill at Normandy were killed at the moment of surrender. A real life example was one East India Company officer in charge of a Ghurkha unit chasing dacoits(bandit tribes).  The dacoits had holed up in a tough position and the Ghurkhas had to storm them. What was interesting was that the officer boasted that none of the dacoit women had been molested. In other words he took it for granted that soldiers would lose control and thought it a matter of pride that they hadn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Ravi Iyer</title>
		<link>http://www.yourmorals.org/blog/2010/06/psychological-causes-of-violence-in-sports-riots/comment-page-1/#comment-320</link>
		<dc:creator>Ravi Iyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 23:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes, testosterone is indeed but one part of the story.  The question I was interested in wasn&#039;t actually just why people riot, but why do the victors riot rather than the losers.  Any other thoughts on why victors might riot and not losers other than testosterone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, testosterone is indeed but one part of the story.  The question I was interested in wasn&#8217;t actually just why people riot, but why do the victors riot rather than the losers.  Any other thoughts on why victors might riot and not losers other than testosterone?</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Haidt</title>
		<link>http://www.yourmorals.org/blog/2010/06/psychological-causes-of-violence-in-sports-riots/comment-page-1/#comment-275</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Haidt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 21:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the rioting could be in incidental byproduct of elevated testosterone. But I suspect that this behavior can&#039;t be understood just via mechanisms that evolved as individual men competed with individual men. I think it reflects an adaptation from our group-selected past. After reading Jonathan Glover&#039;s book &quot;Humanity: A moral history of the 20th century&quot;, and reading accounts of atrocities committed by young men during victory that are so chillingly similar across continents, i think that testosterone is just one link in a larger and more interesting story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the rioting could be in incidental byproduct of elevated testosterone. But I suspect that this behavior can&#8217;t be understood just via mechanisms that evolved as individual men competed with individual men. I think it reflects an adaptation from our group-selected past. After reading Jonathan Glover&#8217;s book &#8220;Humanity: A moral history of the 20th century&#8221;, and reading accounts of atrocities committed by young men during victory that are so chillingly similar across continents, i think that testosterone is just one link in a larger and more interesting story.</p>
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