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		<title>Libya as a moral war (except for libertarians)</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2011 18:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ravi Iyer</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many people believe that war and violence are inherently immoral, and some psychologists have begun to explore the idea that celebrating heroism is an antidote to the problem of evil. In contrast, other psychologists have highlighted the dark side of moral conviction (Skitka &#38; Mullen, 2002) and the notion of idealistic evil (Baumeister, 1997) to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many people believe that <a  href="http://warisimmoral.com/">war and violence are inherently immoral</a>, and some psychologists have begun to explore the idea that <a  href="http://www.heroicimagination.org/">celebrating heroism is an antidote to the problem of evil</a>. In contrast, other psychologists have highlighted <a  href="http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1530-2415.2002.00024.x/abstract">the dark side of moral conviction (Skitka &amp; Mullen, 2002)</a> and <a  href="http://homepages.which.net/~radical.faith/reviews/baumeister1.htm">the notion of idealistic evil (Baumeister, 1997)</a> to explain how moral motivations might actually lead to increased violence.  I sometimes call this being hypermoral, not because I have any great further insight, but simply because I think it has a better chance of catching on as a pop culture meme.</p>
<p>President Obama started military action against Libya, following his belief in <a  href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/11/world/europe/11prexy.text.html?pagewanted=all">the concept of a “just war”</a>, suggesting that Libya might be a useful example of morally motivated violence.  This was somewhat informed by the fact that I personally support intervention in Libya on moral grounds, meaning that I see no gain for the US or myself, but rather would like to help those who are attempting to gain their freedom.  Unfortunately, that requires violence.  While I may see this as &#8216;good&#8217;, others likely see this as evil, and I do see the unfortunate parallel with violent actions anywhere, in that I could see <a  href="http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=11;t=000643">a suicide bomber having a very similar thought process</a>, even as they kill many innocent people in an act that I would term evil.  The point of this research is to divorce normative judgments about which kinds of violence are good or evil from the more general psychological process, and simply to show that at least in this case, violence is often morally motivated, rather than being indicative of a person who is amoral.</p>
<p>As such, I conducted an experiment where participants were randomly assigned to answer questions about Libyan military intervention in terms of what is morally right or what is in the national interest.  For example, one question read &#8220;Considering what is (morally right/in the US national interest), I support the recent American intervention in Libya.&#8221;</p>
<p>Results are shown in the graph below, broken down by ideological group, and indicated that many individuals are indeed more supportive of intervention when framed in terms of what is morally right. Liberals (p&lt;.05) exhibited significantly greater support for Libyan intervention, framed in moral terms.  Conservatives exhibited a marginally significant effect (p=.06), though the magnitude of the difference is greater, so I likely just need to survey more conservative participants, who are a minority in this sample.  Consistent with <a href="http://www.polipsych.com/libertarians/">our research on libertarian morality</a>, whereby libertarians are not moved by the typical moral concerns of liberals and conservatives, libertarians were unaffected by moral framing.  Interestingly, moderates were also unmoved by moral framing.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.polipsych.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/libya_moral_war.jpg" rel="lightbox[585]"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-586" title="Libya as a Moral War" src="http://www.polipsych.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/libya_moral_war.jpg" alt="Libya as a Moral War" width="472" height="377" /></a></p>
<p>This is one specific case and one specific study on a very specific sample, so there are certainly limitations in the conclusions one can make, as with most any social science research.  However, this does suggest that for many people, the case of Libya is a concrete example of morally motivated violence.  I&#8217;m hopeful that thinking about violence and war as morally motivated, divorced from whether you think the ends are good or evil, will be a useful paradigm for reducing violence and conflict more generally.  Perhaps violence will actually be reduced if people become <em>less </em>moral and instead more tolerant of other people&#8217;s views and actions.</p>
<p>- Ravi Iyer</p>
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		<title>On Hyperpartisanship, Hypermoralism, and the Supernormal Stimuli of Modern Politics</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ravi Iyer</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Today's lead story from Politico, The Age of Rage, probably summarizes a lot of what people think is wrong with politics. Rather than make good policy, politicians and media are more concerned with scoring points for their political ideology (hyperpartisanship). However, as the Politico article points out, their actions are largely driven by the general [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s lead story from Politico, <a target="_blank" href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0710/40146.html" >The Age of Rage</a>, probably summarizes a lot of what people think is wrong with politics. Rather than make good policy, politicians and media are more concerned with scoring points for their political ideology (hyperpartisanship). However, as the Politico article points out, their actions are largely driven by the general populace. Politicians and media reflect what people respond to, which happens to be hyperpartisanship, rather than causing the incivility we see.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;there are two big incentives that drive behavior at the intersection where politics meets media. One is public attention. The other is money. Experience shows there’s lots more of both to be had by engaging in extreme partisan behavior.</p>
<p>Fox News has soared on the strength of commentators like Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity, both of whom fanned the Sherrod story on the strength of the misleading Breitbart video. (A Fox senior executive, by contrast, urged the news side of the operation to get Sherrod’s response before going with the story, The Washington Post reported.) On the left, MSNBC is trying to emulate the success of primetime partisanship. Meanwhile, CNN, which has largely strived toward a neutral ideological posture, is battling steady relative declines in its audience.</p>
<p>If media executives hunger for ratings, politicians hunger for campaign cash and fame.</p>
<p>Obama put it best earlier this year, after Republican Rep. Joe Wilson of South Carolina shouted “you lie” during the president&#8217;s State of the Union speech. &#8220;The easiest way to get on television right now is to be really rude,” the president told ABC News.</p>
<p>Indeed, at first Wilson seemed embarrassed and apologized for his outburst. But within days, Wilson and his opponent were both flooded with campaign contributions; Wilson took in more than $700,000 in the immediate aftermath of his outburst and was a guest of honor on Hannity’s show and Fox News Sunday.</p>
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<p>We reward politicians and news organizations, with our attention and our money, that engage in the very incivility that makes politics so ugly. This is true on both sides of the aisle.</p>
<p>At the recent meeting of the International Society of Political Psychology, Linda Skitka gave a talk which puts a lot of this in perspective for me. Her lab studies <a  href="https://sites.google.com/a/uic.edu/skitka-lab-home/morality">the dark side of moral conviction</a>, which I call hypermoralism in the hope that the term catches on. Roy Baumeister studies a similar concept, <a target="_blank" href="http://homepages.which.net/~radical.faith/reviews/baumeister1.htm" >idealistic evil</a>. In Skitka&#8217;s talk, she demonstrates in a Chinese sample that political intolerance (e.g. &#8220;people with different positions than your own about this issue should be allowed to have their phones tapped by the Chinese government&#8221;) and social intolerance (e.g. &#8220;How willing would you be to have someone who did not share your views on this issue as a close personal friend?&#8221;) were best predicted by moral conviction (e.g. &#8220;To what extent are your feelings about this issue or policy based on your fundamental beliefs about right and wrong?&#8221;).  When controlling for moral conviction, all other variables (e.g. demographics, political position, attitude importance, and attitude strength) were all insignificant predictors of social and political intolerance. I look forward to seeing how this replicates on a US sample and how political intolerance is operationalized. Perhaps something along the lines of <a target="_blank" href="http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/21/liberal-journalists-suggest-government-shut-down-fox-news/" >liberal consideration of censoring Fox news</a> or <a target="_blank" href="http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/06/25/the-death-of-journolist-does-privacy-end-at-the-edge-of-your-th/" >conservative publication of what many would consider private discussion</a> would make good operationalizations of political intolerance as they mirror what we see in reality, where considerations of privacy, context, and free speech are considered secondary to partisanship. Moral conviction may underlie the hyperpartisanship that Politico talks about.</p>
<p>Hyperpartisanship and hypermoralism may be another instance of the effects of what evolutionary psychologist <a target="_blank" href="http://www.amazon.com/Supernormal-Stimuli-Overran-Evolutionary-Purpose/dp/039306848X" >Deirdre Barrett calls &#8220;Supernormal Stimuli&#8221;</a>. As <a target="_blank" href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704431404575068251903053116.html" >the Wall Street Journal writes about her book</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>As Ms. Barrett notes, modern life surrounds us with supernormal stimuli. An example: Humans evolved strong tastes for fats and sweets, tastes that conferred a reproductive advantage in the days when starvation was common. But these tastes can be a burden when we&#8217;re confronted with such supernormal stimuli as the 400-calorie Frappuccino at Starbucks. An evolutionary adaptation that once promised survival is more likely nowadays to produce Type 2 diabetes.</p>
<p>Ms. Barrett pushes her thesis too far at times, but her plain-spoken disquisition makes a strong case that supernormal stimuli &#8220;can help us understand the problems of modern civilization.&#8221;</p>
<p><a name="U10511903089SFC"></a>One might even argue that supernormal stimuli—or perhaps our reactions to them—are the biggest problems faced by affluent societies.</p>
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<p>In the case of hyperpartisanship and hypermoralism, our evolved moral senses, <a target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Evolution_of_Cooperation" >which allow human beings to cooperate</a>, are now subject to the stimulus which is the 24 hour news cycle and the non-stop political campaign. Moral emotions are powerful forces, which are now activated routinely, rather than rarely.</p>
<p>If anybody has ideas on how to escape this cycle, I would love to hear them. Humanizing and getting to know the opposition, along the lines of <a target="_blank" href="http://www.entrepreneur.com/tradejournals/article/172978815.html" >intergroup contact theory</a>, is an idea. Perhaps moral emotions can be activated against hyperpartisanship itself, rather than against individual ideologies. Or maybe with greater understanding, we can all learn to recognize supernormal moral stimuli and give them less power in our lives. Ideas welcome and I&#8217;m open to operationalizing particularly promising ideas as studies to be run on yourmorals.org.</p>
<p>- Ravi Iyer</p>
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