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		<title>Tea for Two: The Split Personality of the Tea Party</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Feb 2011 18:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sean Wojcik</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Prior to November&#8217;s midterm elections, I blogged about the moral and psychological predictors of support for the Tea Party movement.  Overall, their pattern of responses on the Moral Foundations Questionnaire closely resembled the pattern found for conservatives.  That is, they reported a relatively equal reliance on the foundations of Harm, Fairness, Loyalty, Authority, and Purity [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prior to November&#8217;s midterm elections, I blogged about the <a href="http://www.yourmorals.org/blog/2010/10/a-moral-profile-of-tea-party-supporters/">moral and psychological predictors of support for the Tea Party movement</a>.  Overall, their pattern of responses on the Moral Foundations Questionnaire closely resembled the pattern found for conservatives.  That is, they reported a relatively <a href="http://www.yourmorals.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/mfq.jpg">equal reliance </a>on the foundations of Harm, Fairness, Loyalty, Authority, and Purity when making moral judgments—unlike <a href="http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1665934">libertarians</a>, who typically show weaker endorsements of all five foundations.  Additionally, Tea Party supporters reported high moral sensitivity to economic (but not lifestyle) <a href="http://www.yourmorals.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/mfq-b-and-c.jpg">liberty</a>, and conceptualized fairness as equity/proportionality rather than as equality.</p>
<p>Although the movement’s political identity is still developing, Tea Party supporters’ scores on all of these moral foundations predicted a relatively coherent set of political attitudes.  Their strong moral valuations of both economic liberty and equity/proportionality are consistent with the movement’s core economic principles, and their low reliance on lifestyle liberty is consistent with the traditionally <a href="http://www.yourmorals.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/issues1.jpg">conservative viewpoints</a> we observed across almost all social issues.</p>
<p>However, caution should be exercised before labeling the Tea Party as the rebranded base of traditional conservatism.  All of the above analyses were conducted with <em>YourMorals</em> visitors who indicated strong <em>support</em> for the Tea Party movement.  More recent data that we’ve collected in the past few months indicates that individuals who actually <em>attend</em> Tea Party rallies and events (under 30% of supporters in our data) show a strikingly different set of moral values than those described above.</p>
<p>Consider the following graph of the Moral Foundations Questionnaire.  Here, individuals who attended Tea Party events are clearly distinct from conservatives, endorsing all five foundations at low levels, just like true libertarians.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.yourmorals.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/MFQ-TP-attend.png"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-301" src="http://www.yourmorals.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/MFQ-TP-attend.png" alt="" width="434" height="229" /></a></p>
<p>We already know that Tea Party supporters highly value economic liberty, but not lifestyle liberty.  However, those who actually <em>attend</em> Tea Party events appear to value both forms of liberty, much like true libertarians.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.yourmorals.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/MFQ-Liberty-TP-attend.png"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-302" src="http://www.yourmorals.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/MFQ-Liberty-TP-attend.png" alt="" width="434" height="218" /></a></p>
<p>Do these moral sensitivities to both kinds of liberty predict specific attitudes toward social policies?  The answer appears to be yes.  Compared to conservatives, those who attend Tea Party events are more likely to support policies that enhance lifestyle liberty, including the choice to have an abortion, the legalization of marijuana, same-sex marriage, and favoring immigration.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.yourmorals.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Social-Issues-TP-attend.png"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-303" src="http://www.yourmorals.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Social-Issues-TP-attend.png" alt="" width="434" height="194" /></a></p>
<p>Why might those who attend Tea Party events differ from the majority of its supporters on these key political issues?  One explanation is that the Tea Party movement is not, and never has been, a monolithic entity.  Instead, we see somewhat of a “split” personality.  The movement’s emphasis on its economic philosophy—rather than its largely undefined social philosophy—has facilitated the union of a core group of true libertarians with a growing base of traditionally conservative supporters.  Because this young political movement is still developing, it will be interesting to watch and see if/how continued growth may influence the future of the Tea Party’s morality, and which side of this “split” personality will emerge from the Tea Party’s moral mind.</p>
<p>Sean Wojcik</p>
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		<title>A moral profile of Tea Party supporters</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Oct 2010 17:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sean Wojcik</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Over the past several months, the Tea Party movement has emerged as a national force in American politics.  Its supporters are often characterized as belonging to one of two distinct groups: either as small-government libertarians, or as the disenfranchised and rebranded base of traditional conservativism.  Although there is a growing body of knowledge on the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over the past several months, the Tea Party movement has emerged as a national force in American politics.  Its supporters are often characterized as belonging to one of two distinct groups: either as small-government <a href="http://www.lp.org/news/press-releases/libertarians-cordially-invite-you-to-a-tea-party">libertarians</a>, or as the disenfranchised and rebranded base of <a href="http://www.gallup.com/poll/141098/Tea-Party-Supporters-Overlap-Republican-Base.aspx?utm_source=alert&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_campaign=syndication&amp;utm_content=morelink&amp;utm_term=Election+2010+-+Politics">traditional conservativism</a>.  Although there is a growing body of knowledge on the psychology of both conservatives and libertarians (see Iyer et al.’s <a href="http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1665934">libertarianism paper</a>, under review), little is known about the moral and psychological underpinnings of support for the Tea Party.</p>
<p>Here at <em>yourmorals.org</em>, we have begun to address this question.  Over the past few months, we asked over 1400 visitors to indicate the strength of their support for the Tea Party movement.  Of the 9% who scored near the top of our scale, approximately two-thirds had previously identified as conservatives and about one-third had identified as libertarians.</p>
<p>So how do the moral values of these Tea Party supporters compare to conservatives and libertarians?  We found that they indeed showed a mix of both conservative and libertarian moral values.  On the foundations of Harm and Fairness, TP supporters recreated the libertarian pattern that is described in detail by Iyer et al. – that is, they scored even lower than conservatives on both of these foundations.  However, TP supporters showed a <em>heightened</em> sensitivity to the foundations of Ingroup, Authority, and Purity, forming a pattern that is nearly identical to that of conservatives.  The finding that TP supporters are low on Harm and Fairness, and high on Ingroup, Authority, and Purity, clearly distinguishes them from traditional libertarians in the moral domain.  Instead, they appear to endorse a slightly inflated form of traditional conservative moral beliefs.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.yourmorals.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/mfq.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-255" src="http://www.yourmorals.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/mfq.jpg" alt="" width="763" height="427" /></a></p>
<p>We also examined how Tea Party supporters scored on several other moral dimensions, which were measured with newer versions of our Moral Foundations Questionnaire.  Again, they looked very similar to conservatives.  That is, they scored low on equality and high on equity (conservative “<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703673604575550243700895762.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_RIGHTTopCarousel_1">karma</a>”); they had high scores on retribution and national sovereignty, with low scores on universalism; and they scored high on economic—but not lifestyle—liberty.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.yourmorals.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/mfq-b-and-c.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-258" src="http://www.yourmorals.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/mfq-b-and-c.jpg" alt="" width="792" height="466" /></a></p>
<p>We have collected data about our users’ attitudes toward a number of current political issues and events.  So do Tea Party supporters’ scores on the moral dimensions predict specific attitudes about social and political issues?  In short, yes.</p>
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<li>Their high scores in economic liberty—and their conception of fairness as equity rather than equality—are likely related to their disapproval of bank regulation, their support for offshore drilling, and the perceived unimportance of healthcare reform.</li>
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<p><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-259" src="http://www.yourmorals.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/issues2.jpg" alt="" width="703" height="385" /></p>
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<li>Tea Party supporters’ moral sensitivity to national sovereignty and Ingroup is consistent with their negative attitudes toward immigration, even specifically in their support for police verification of immigration status in Arizona, as well as their opposition to the mosque being built near Ground Zero.</li>
<li>Their conservative stances on several social issues (e.g., same sex marriage, marijuana legalization, abortion) reflect their low moral valuations of lifestyle liberty, unlike traditional libertarians.</li>
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<p><a href="http://www.yourmorals.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/issues1.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-260" src="http://www.yourmorals.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/issues1.jpg" alt="" width="715" height="391" /></a></p>
<p>As can be seen in the chart above, TP supporters score nearly identically to conservatives on all of these social issues, and are clearly distinct from true libertarians, who score similarly to liberals.</p>
<p>As might be expected, Tea Party supporters also showed consistently unfavorable views about President Obama.  They were also most likely to believe he was born in another country, and they were the most likely to believe he was a Muslim.  Their scores on these measures were consistently lower than both libertarians and conservatives.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.yourmorals.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/obama.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-261" src="http://www.yourmorals.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/obama.jpg" alt="" width="638" height="367" /></a></p>
<p>Our investigation into the psychology of support for the Tea Party, like the Tea Party movement itself, is still in its early stages. We are still collecting data on these topics, and these charts are only a sneak peek of our developing findings.  We are currently investigating the potential role of several additional factors in predicting Tea Party support, including attitudes about economic fairness, racial identity, and behavioral participation in the movement.</p>
<p>However, the current data paints a relatively clear picture of how Tea Party supporters compare to other conservatives and libertarians: their values are closely aligned to those of traditional social conservatives, but with an inflated investment in economic freedoms that occasionally resembles libertarianism.  Although the Tea Party movement is anything but a monolithic group with a single identity, the clear moral and psychological underpinnings that predict support for the movement will be a continued topic of investigation here at <em>yourmorals</em>.</p>
<p>Sean Wojcik</p>
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		<title>Separating Pro-Peace from Anti-War Attitudes using Moral Psychology Measures</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 05:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ravi Iyer</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I'm off to SPSP 2010 and will be presenting the below poster at the morality and justice pre-conference.  It's based on a scale I found measuring separate war and peace attitudes (Vander Linden et. al, 2008) at the main political psychology conference 2 years ago.  The concept is pretty simple...I found scales that predicted pro-war and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m off to <a href="http://www.spspmeeting.org/">SPSP 2010</a> and will be presenting the below poster at the morality and justice pre-conference.  It&#8217;s based on a scale I found measuring separate war and peace attitudes (Vander Linden et. al, 2008) at the main political psychology conference 2 years ago.  The concept is pretty simple&#8230;I found scales that predicted pro-war and pro-peace attitudes, controlling for political ideology and the opposite construct.  For example, there are many reasons to be pro-peace&#8230;.one could think war is a bad thing or one could be echoing one&#8217;s political party&#8217;s point of view.  Theoretically, by controlling for war attitudes and ideology, we get a picture of the kind of person who uniquely likes peace.</p>
<p>Like this Mother Theresa quote:</p>
<p><em>I was once asked why I don&#8217;t participate in anti-war demonstrations.  I said that I will never do that, but as soon as you have a pro-peace rally, I&#8217;ll be there.</em></p>
<p>There is something powerful about being &#8220;for&#8221; things rather than &#8220;against&#8221; things that other people believe in.  The opposition that the later strategy creates might just lead to the very same kinds of conflict that anti-war protestors seek to avoid.</p>
<p><a rel="lightbox[92]" href="http://www.polipsych.com/warpeace_poster4.jpg">Click Here for the poster</a></p>
<p>- Ravi Iyer</p>
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		<title>What are the basic foundations of morality?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 09:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ravi Iyer</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A few years ago, I was fortunate to catch a talk by Jon Haidt at the Gallup Positive Psychology Summit where he gave a wonderful talk about moral foundation theory, which seeks to determine the fundamental systems of morality.  I sought to use his scale in my work and using that scale eventually grew into [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few years ago, I was fortunate to catch a talk by Jon Haidt at the Gallup Positive Psychology Summit where he gave a wonderful talk about moral foundation theory, which seeks to determine the fundamental systems of morality.  I sought to use his scale in my work and using that scale eventually grew into our current collaboration (along with Jesse Graham, Pete Ditto, and Sena Koleva) of yourmorals.org, where the main instrument used in moral foundation theory, the moral foundations questionnaire, is available.</p>
<p>The moral foundations questionnaire measures 5 foundations.  The below descriptions are taken from the <a href="http://faculty.virginia.edu/haidtlab/mft/index.php">moral foundations theory webpage</a>.</p>
<blockquote style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 40px; padding: 0px; border: initial none initial;"><p>1) Harm/care, related to our long evolution as mammals with attachment systems and an ability to feel (and dislike) the pain of others. This foundation underlies virtues of kindness, gentleness, and nurturance.</p>
<p>2) Fairness/reciprocity, related to the evolutionary process of reciprocal altruism. This foundation generates ideas of justice, rights, and autonomy.</p>
<p>3) Ingroup/loyalty, related to our long history as tribal creatures able to form shifting coalitions. This foundation underlies virtues of patriotism and self-sacrifice for the group. It is active anytime people feel that it&#8217;s &#8220;one for all, and all for one.&#8221;</p>
<p>4) Authority/respect, shaped by our long primate history of hierarchical social interactions. This foundaiton underlies virtues of leadership and followership, including deference to legitimate authority and respect for traditions.</p>
<p>5) Purity/sanctity, shaped by the psychology of disgust and contamination. This foundation underlies religious notions of striving to live in an elevated, less carnal, more noble way. It underlies the widespread idea that the body is a temple which can be desecrated by immoral activities and contaminants (an idea not unique to religious traditions).</p></blockquote>
<p>According to Jon Haidt, &#8221;Moral systems are interlocking sets of values, virtues, norms, practices, identities, institutions, technologies, and evolved psychological mechanisms that work together to suppress or regulate selfishness and make social life possible.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps one of the most compelling parts of the theory is that it invites people to try and posit a 6th foundation.  There was even a prize offered by Jon to those who succeeded and a number of possible candidates are listed <a href="http://faculty.virginia.edu/haidtlab/mft/index.php?t=challenges">here</a>.</p>
<p>How can we determine what is or is not a foundation?  Some of the criteria are listed on the above webpage.  Borrowing from a recent lecture I attended on approaches to develop foundations of &#8216;personality&#8217;, I would list the below criteria as important.</p>
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<li>Factor analysis/Conceptual Distinction &#8211; Factor analysis is the most common way that people empirically determine distinct constructs.  The idea is that if two constructs are distinct, questions about these constructs should inter-correlate to form a separate factor from questions about a separate construct.  So if questions about Harm load on a separate factor versus questions about Fairness, we can conclude they are separate constructs.  I would argue that this is a necessary, but not sufficient test of any new foundation.  It is possible to ask questions with enough specificity that anything can be a separate factor.  Five questions about harm using a knife will likely load on a separate factor versus five questions about harm by drowning, yet does that mean they are separate foundations.  Furthermore, work on moral confabulation and moral intuition leads many researchers to believe that individuals are fundamentally naive about what drives their moral reasoning.  As such, direct questions may not be able to illuminate all possible moral systems.</li>
<li>Cluster analysis &#8211; One of the most important applications of moral foundations theory is that it successfully describes the differences between liberals and conservatives in a <a href="http://www.polipsych.com/2009/09/18/robustness-of-liberal-conservative-moral-foundations-questionnaire-differences/">fairly robust manner</a>.  Some personality scale developers take the notion that if a question successfully differentiates classes of people, it&#8217;s a good question.  This is true for the moral foundation questionnaire to a point, but more work could certainly be done.  5 foundations should conceivably posit 5 classes of people (individuals who value each foundation over the other four) and the co-occurrence of many of these foundations is evidence that some current foundations may share a moral system or that these clusters have yet to be identified.</li>
<li>Evolutionary explanation &#8211; One of the most important aspects of moral foundation theory is that it contains a plausible evolutionary explanation of all systems.  Evolutionary evidence should include both cross-cultural universality and a coherent evolutionary explanation.  The current foundations are well described in terms of their evolutionary roots, having grown out of anthropological field work, and future foundation candidates should be equally well described in terms of evolutionary theory and equally universal cross-culturally.</li>
<li>Beyond Self Interest &#8211; I often think that people who are in front of me in traffic are jerks.  Why don&#8217;t they just get out of the way?  If you catch me on a particularly bad day, I may even consider them to be immoral people.  But is &#8216;getting out of my way&#8217; a moral system?  Human beings are notoriously clever at moralizing their self-interest and any candidate foundation needs to go beyond self interest.  The relevant question would be whether I would judge the other people to be at fault from the perspective of a neutral third party.  Given that I don&#8217;t routinely chastise drivers for being in the way of other drivers, I would say that my beliefs in this example are not the result of a moral system, but rather my personal self-interest.</li>
<li>Beyond Harm &#8211;  There are lots of different ways to harm another person.  Some would argue that Harm is too broad a moral category, but as long as Harm is included as a moral foundation, any subsequent candidate foundation will necessarily be forced to answer the question &#8220;Is this reducible to harm?&#8221;.  The question which would need to empirically be asked is whether individuals would judge an act to be wrong even if nobody were harmed.  This may seem like an easy test, but consider the case of liberty, which is an often brought up criticism of moral foundation theory as something that has been left out.  Most people would think that it is wrong for someone to deprive somebody else of their freedom.  It&#8217;s conceptually distinct from physical harm, potentially describes a class of people (libertarians), has an evolutionary explanation (the need for groups to encourage explorers?), and is not just self-interest as I care about other people&#8217;s liberty, not just my own.  However, would I care about somebody else&#8217;s liberty if they didn&#8217;t want to be free?  It&#8217;s a difficult question as I think the intuitive reaction is to assume that the person doesn&#8217;t know any better and really would be better off being free.  But what if I was absolutely convinced that they enjoyed captivity&#8230;or what if I thought that they actually benefited from captivity.  Should they be free?  It&#8217;s a more complex question than one initially might think and shows some of the complexity of developing foundations.  Ideally, we should be able to find cases where any foundation is generally used, even in cases where the use of that foundation causes harm.</li>
</ul>
<p>With that in mind, I would offer these potential modifications of our initial foundations.</p>
<ul>
<li>Fairness is a notoriously ambiguous word and can mean many things to many people.  Current questions focus too much on fairness as equality, which is possibly motivated concern for the harm experienced by those who experience less equal outcomes.  In order to separate it further from harm, I would focus this foundation more on the principle of equity, where people get what they deserve.  Equity is motivationally tied to the desire for productivity and so this foundation would then possibly encompass ideas of property rights, sloth and waste, which have been missing from the current taxonomy.</li>
<li>Concerns about liberty, equality and rights would be moved to the Harm foundation.  All of these constructs are things which could relate to the harm caused to another individual, whether it is the psychological harm due to being controlled, the emotional harm due to receiving an unequal share, or the harm to self-esteem when one does not feel like one has any rights.</li>
<li>Ingroup and authority foundations have tended to predict similar things and co-occur in individuals such that one might doubt the independence of these two factors.  As they are currently measured, respecting authority and being loyal could both be considered subsets of a system that might be labelled &#8220;being a good group member&#8221;.  Some items which measure authority concern the desire for things to stay the same and a resistance to change, which has been shown to be indicative of conservative thought.  Changing authority to this conception and labeling it &#8216;conservation&#8217; while allowing ingroup loyalty to encompass other aspects of being a good group member might improve the discriminant validity of the authority and ingroup foundations.</li>
<li>Many of the other candidate foundations that have been proposed deal with truth, wisdom, honesty, and authenticity.  Telling the truth is a moral principle which might survive all of the above tests as it is conceptually distinct, describes a class of people (see <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=ehXs95d-BU4C&amp;dq=dignity+of+working+men&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;source=bn&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=WCL9SvDMOcmCnQf48KWYCw&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=4&amp;ved=0CBgQ6AEwAw" target="_blank">The Dignity of Working Men</a>), has an evolutionary explanation (trustworthiness), and is observed when it is contradictory to self-interest and causes harm to others.  In conceptualizing this foundation, I might consider including things like simplicity, directness, and being a stand-up guy.  This might explain why conservatives have a disdain for liberal academics who are too complex to be trusted and lack practical intelligence that is indicative of being a &#8217;stand-up&#8217; guy.</li>
</ul>
<p>These are merely hypotheses and opinions, so take them for what it&#8217;s worth.  It is also important to note that the fact that it is possible to refine a theory doesn&#8217;t reduce the importance or contribution of the theory.  In fact, the fact that I (and many others) posted about refining it means that this theory has had a significant impact on public discourse and is worthy of refining.</p>
<p>- Ravi Iyer</p>
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		<title>J Street vs. The Weekly Standard: Is it possible to be pro-peace and pro-Israel?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ravi Iyer</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A group called J Street has recently sought to question the wisdom of military action by the Israeli government.  Their influence is supposed to be a counterbalance to the traditionally hawk-ish Israel lobby embodied by AIPAC.  Many lobbying groups which oppose military action by Israel identify with the groups that Israel has conflicting interests with or [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A group called J Street has recently sought to question the wisdom of military action by the Israeli government.  Their influence is supposed to be a counterbalance to the <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/13/magazine/13JStreet-t.html" target="_blank">traditionally hawk-ish Israel lobby</a> embodied by AIPAC.  Many lobbying groups which oppose military action by Israel identify with the groups that Israel has conflicting interests with or inherently believe that war is a terrible thing.  J Street is unique in that it is pro-peace AND is pro-Israel, taking the stance that the best way to support Israel is by taking a pro-peace stance.  In taking this stand, they are questioning one of the most powerful implicit arguments for military action&#8230;.that support for military action is related to being patriotic.  As a result, <a href="http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/10/rep_mike_castle_evacuated_from_1.asp" target="_blank">groups like the Weekly Standard have been questioning just how pro-Israel J Street really is</a>.</p>
<p>Is it possible to be both pro-peace and pro-Israel?  What part of this is simply the moral confabulation of believing that your side (liberal or conservative) is correct and that the other side MUST be unpatriotic?  Sometimes we might dislike the opposing viewpoint so much that we question not just their wisdom, but their motives.</p>
<p>To help answer this question, I analyzed some of our data from yourmorals.org to see how identification with one&#8217;s country (measured using questions like &#8220;How much do you identify with (that is, feel a part of, feel love toward, have concern for)&#8230;people in my country?&#8221;) is related to attitudes toward peace (measured using questions like &#8220;Peace brings out the best qualities in a society.&#8221;) and attitudes toward war (measured using questions like &#8220;War is sometimes the best way to solve a conflict.&#8221;).  It is worth noting that attitudes toward war and attitudes toward peace are not necessarily the same thing.  They are highly correlated (r=-.68) in our sample, but the correlation is not perfect (-1 or 1 would be a perfect correlation).</p>
<p>At first glance, it seems that being pro-peace might be incompatible with identifying with one&#8217;s country.  Consider the below 2 graphs.  Attitudes toward peace aren&#8217;t really related to patriotism.  Attitudes toward war are related to patriotism in that people who identify with their country more seem to be slightly more likely to be more sympathetic to the need for conflict.</p>
<p><a title="peace_patriotism_simple0.JPG" rel="lightbox[69]" href="http://www.polipsych.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/peace_patriotism_simple0.JPG"><img src="http://www.polipsych.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/peace_patriotism_simple0.JPG" alt="peace_patriotism_simple0.JPG" width="562" height="450" /></a></p>
<p><a title="war_patriotism_simple0.JPG" rel="lightbox[69]" href="http://www.polipsych.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/war_patriotism_simple0.JPG"><img src="http://www.polipsych.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/war_patriotism_simple0.JPG" alt="war_patriotism_simple0.JPG" width="562" height="450" /></a></p>
<p>Given that the distinction between pro-peace and anti-war is difficult, it is unsurprising that from the simple relationships, people are suspicious of people who are both pro-peace and patriotic.  However, these relationships are not large and there are many confounding variables, the most obvious of which are your political leanings.  Much research in political psychology concerns our motivated reasoning to support our political party&#8217;s position on any given issue.  If we look within each political party, the relationship between being pro-peace and pro-country changes as shown in the below two graphs.</p>
<p><a title="peace_patriotism_bypolitics0.JPG" rel="lightbox[69]" href="http://www.polipsych.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/peace_patriotism_bypolitics0.JPG"><img src="http://www.polipsych.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/peace_patriotism_bypolitics0.JPG" alt="peace_patriotism_bypolitics0.JPG" width="562" height="450" /></a></p>
<p><a title="war_patriotism_bypolitics0.JPG" rel="lightbox[69]" href="http://www.polipsych.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/war_patriotism_bypolitics0.JPG"><img src="http://www.polipsych.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/war_patriotism_bypolitics0.JPG" alt="war_patriotism_bypolitics0.JPG" width="562" height="450" /></a></p>
<p>The confusing purple lines above are self-identified libertarians.  Let&#8217;s deal with them later.</p>
<p>The main result if we look at everybody else is that we see that identification with one&#8217;s country is actually associated with being pro-peace WITHIN each political group.  In contrast, in the first set of graphs, being pro-war was associated with identification with one&#8217;s country when collapsing across all political groups. The results suggest that identification with country is independently associated with being pro-peace if we control for being liberal, conservative, or libertarian.  If we control for the variance associated with political ideology, it is not patriotic to be anti-war or pro-war.  It IS patriotic to be pro-peace&#8230;.and the reason people who are pro-peace are characterized as not being patriotic is because the doves and the hawks reside on opposite sides of the partisan divide.  This partisan divide also predicts identification with country (conservativism correlates .29 with identification with country).  But if we take out the variance due to ideology, peace is indeed patriotic.</p>
<p>Put in the context of the political issue of the day, there is nothing so abnormal about being pro-peace and pro-Israel, but it is unsurprising that critics of J Street are unable to disentangle their partisan leanings from their opinions about the group given the simple pattern of what we see in society.  It is worth noting though that questioning the motives rather than the wisdom of the opposing position is not something that is limited to conservative groups like the Weekly Standard.  J Street characterizes the Weekly Standard&#8217;s actions as &#8220;thuggish smear tactics&#8221;, &#8220;swift boat&#8221; moves, and &#8220;unhinged&#8221; which is surely a caricature of their true motivations.  My advice to J Street would be to avoid such confrontational language as it only exacerbates the partisan divide and makes it more unlikely that others might actually see resonance in their pro-peace, pro-Israel stance.</p>
<p>There is one group for whom being pro-peace is more diagnostic, libertarians.  Libertarians make up 10-15% of the population according to recent surveys and 7% of our sample, but it is worth speculating about why group identification is so diagnostic of war and peace attitudes for this group.  Using Moral Foundations Theory, war and peace attitudes are predicted by both the ingroup/loyalty foundation and the harm/care foundation.  Similarly, patriotism and identification with one&#8217;s country is a blend of concern about loyalty to one&#8217;s group and care for those group members.  Libertarians score lower on the moral foundations questionnaire on both the ingroup and harm foundations.  My hypothesis would be that for libertarians, identification with country is more a function of group loyalty rather than care for other group members (see Ayn Rand&#8217;s virtue of selfishness).  Indeed, the correlation between Moral Foundations Questionnaire-Ingroup scores and Identification with Country scores are higher for libertarians than for every other group (r=.56 for libertarians, .37 for conservatives and .38 for liberals).  I would speculate that the fact that libertarian patriotism is more loyalty than care based is the reason why libertarian patriotism is more highly related to pro-war/anti-peace attitudes.  More on libertarians to come as I&#8217;m working on a paper on libertarian psychology.</p>
<p>- Ravi Iyer</p>
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		<title>The values of people who are “Spiritual, but not Religious”</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 07:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Ravi Iyer</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some people in psychology have a theory that everyone wants to study themselves.  I don&#8217;t really have a religious category that fits.  I grew up going occasionally to a protestant church and I occasionally go to a new-age church in Los Angeles.  If I had to pick a category, I might pick &#8220;Spiritual, but not Religious&#8221; and I successfully convinced my collaborators at YourMorals.org to keep it as a distinctive category of religion.  After all, what is more interesting to study than ourselves. <img class="wp-smiley" src="http://www.polipsych.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" /></p>
<p>According to <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Spiritual-but-not-Religious-Understanding/dp/0195146808" target="_blank">this book, &#8221;Spiritual, but Not Religious: Understanding Unchurched America&#8221; by Robert Fuller</a>, perhaps 20% of Americans might fall in this category.  In our YourMorals.org dataset, 9.4% used this category.  For comparison, 24.7% picked Atheist and all the Christian denominations combined make up ~15%.  From personal experience as a Californian, I could also see people who fit Fuller&#8217;s description as wanting a more open, exploratory, personal religious experience picking Buddhism (1.5%) or Unitarian-Universalist (1.8%).  Obviously, our sample is skewed because we reach a largely educated liberal audience.  However, according to Fuller, that is exactly the type of audience that is &#8220;unchurched&#8221;, so I think it likely that we reach a fair portion of unchurched America.</p>
<p>What separates those who are &#8220;Spiritual, but not religious&#8221; from those who are &#8220;Atheist&#8221;?  or those who are &#8220;churched&#8221;?  Below is a comparison of scores on the Schwartz Values Scale.</p>
<p><a title="Schwartz Values of Spiritual but not religious" rel="lightbox[63]" href="http://www.polipsych.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/spiritual_but_not_religious_schwartz0.JPG"><img src="http://www.polipsych.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/spiritual_but_not_religious_schwartz0.JPG" alt="Schwartz Values of Spiritual but not religious" /></a></p>
<p>What patterns jump out?</p>
<ul>
<li><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12px; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 18px;">Spiritual, but not Religious means something VERY different from Atheism.  Atheists seem to be markedly lower on conformity, benevolence, and universalism and higher on hedonism.  The pattern is somewhat like that of libertarians. </span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12px; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 18px;">In contrast, people who are spiritual, but not religious are more similar to other religious people than atheists&#8230;EXCEPT the biggest difference is that the spiritual, but not religious value universalism.  Perhaps this universalism is the common thread which keeps these people away from organized religion, some of which can be seen as exclusionary.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12px; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 18px;">There is also a pattern of movement towards openness to change values (stimulation, hedonism, and self-direction) and away from conservation values (tradition, conformity) for the spiritual, but not religious, compared to &#8220;all others&#8221;.</span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12px; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 18px;">As I suspected, Unitarian Universalists and those who are Spiritual, but not Religious have a lot in common and most differences fall within the margin of error. </span></span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12px; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 18px;">Buddhists also have a lot in common with this group, except that they are lower in valuing power and achievement.</span></span></li>
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<p>The results converge with the <a href="http://afterburn.burningman.com/07/census/index.html" target="_blank">census of the Burning Man community</a> where 72% feel that spirituality is important or very important, while over 80% go to no religious services in a month.  Universalism, benevolence, and self-direction are the top 3 values in their survey, just as in ours (spirituality is not an official Schwartz value).</p>
<p>- Ravi Iyer</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All social science research faces questions about the external validity of the results.  Much social psychology research is done on students and so the natural question is whether those findings generalize to non-student populations.  Even representative surveys of the population face questions about validity due to the assumptions which go into what representative means.  Since all measurement is imperfect, one of the main ways to determine the robustness of a finding is to examine many measurements and look for overall patterns.  FiveThirtyEight.com did this during the 2008 presidential election and became a national sensation.</p>
<p>The central finding of Moral Foundations theory to date is the split between what liberals and conservatives report caring about.  Specifically, Liberals care more exclusively about issues concerning harm and fairness, while conservatives also care about issues surrounding obeying rightful authority, being loyal to one&#8217;s ingroup, and avoiding &#8220;unnatural&#8221; violations of one&#8217;s purity.</p>
<p>How can we tell if this finding is robust?  All web servers keep track of referring traffic and so we can analyze the data we collect at yourmorals.org by the source of the traffic.  If the pattern holds among people who read the New York Times, people who come from conservative blogs (a minority, but there are some), people who read the Houston Chronicle, people who find the site by typing &#8216;morality quiz&#8217; into a search engine, and people who read Libertarian magazines&#8230;.then it is likely that the pattern is somewhat robust.  Of course, these patterns are all among internet samples, so it would be fair to say that if this pattern of liberal-conservative differences holds among all these groups, then it is fairly robust amongst the type of people who use the internet to read about news or politics.</p>
<p>Below are graphs across many of these groups.  You&#8217;ll see the same pattern where as you move from liberal to conservative, the exclusivity of concern about issues of harm and fairness gets less and less.<a title="Moral Foundation Questionnaire Results by Politics - Referrals from Search Engines" rel="lightbox[44]" href="http://www.polipsych.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/mfq_libcon_searchengines0.JPG"><img src="http://www.polipsych.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/mfq_libcon_searchengines0.JPG" alt="Moral Foundation Questionnaire Results by Politics - Referrals from Search Engines" /></a></p>
<p><a title="Moral Foundation Questionnaire Results by Politics - Referrals from VoteHelp.Org (Candidate Calculator)" rel="lightbox[44]" href="http://www.polipsych.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/mfq_libcon_votehelp0.JPG"><img src="http://www.polipsych.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/mfq_libcon_votehelp0.JPG" alt="Moral Foundation Questionnaire Results by Politics - Referrals from VoteHelp.Org (Candidate Calculator)" /></a></p>
<p><a title="Moral Foundation Questionnaire Results by Politics - Referrals from VoteHelp.Org (Candidate Calculator)" rel="lightbox[44]" href="http://www.polipsych.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/mfq_libcon_votehelp0.JPG"></a></p>
<p><a title="Moral Foundation Questionnaire Results by Politics - Referrals from Reason (Libertarian Publication)" rel="lightbox[44]" href="http://www.polipsych.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/mfq_libcon_reason0.JPG"><img src="http://www.polipsych.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/mfq_libcon_reason0.JPG" alt="Moral Foundation Questionnaire Results by Politics - Referrals from Reason (Libertarian Publication)" /></a></p>
<p><a title="Moral Foundation Questionnaire Results by Politics - Referrals from Prospect Magazine (UK)" rel="lightbox[44]" href="http://www.polipsych.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/mfq_libcon_prospect0.JPG"><img src="http://www.polipsych.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/mfq_libcon_prospect0.JPG" alt="Moral Foundation Questionnaire Results by Politics - Referrals from Prospect Magazine (UK)" /></a><a title="Moral Foundation Questionnaire Results by Politics - Referrals from Prospect Magazine (UK)" rel="lightbox[44]" href="http://www.polipsych.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/mfq_libcon_prospect0.JPG"></a></p>
<p><a title="Moral Foundation Questionnaire Results by Politics - Referrals from New York Times" rel="lightbox[44]" href="http://www.polipsych.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/mfq_libcon_nytimes0.JPG"><img src="http://www.polipsych.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/mfq_libcon_nytimes0.JPG" alt="Moral Foundation Questionnaire Results by Politics - Referrals from New York Times" /></a></p>
<p><a title="Moral Foundation Questionnaire Results by Politics - Referrals from New York Times" rel="lightbox[44]" href="http://www.polipsych.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/mfq_libcon_nytimes0.JPG"></a></p>
<p><a title="Moral Foundation Questionnaire Results by Politics - Referrals from Mother Jones" rel="lightbox[44]" href="http://www.polipsych.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/mfq_libcon_motherjones0.JPG"><img src="http://www.polipsych.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/mfq_libcon_motherjones0.JPG" alt="Moral Foundation Questionnaire Results by Politics - Referrals from Mother Jones" /></a><a title="Moral Foundation Questionnaire Results by Politics - Referrals from Mother Jones" rel="lightbox[44]" href="http://www.polipsych.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/mfq_libcon_motherjones0.JPG"></a></p>
<p><a title="Moral Foundation Questionnaire Results by Politics - Referrals from Houston Chronicle" rel="lightbox[44]" href="http://www.polipsych.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/mfq_libcon_houstonchronicle0.JPG"><img src="http://www.polipsych.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/mfq_libcon_houstonchronicle0.JPG" alt="Moral Foundation Questionnaire Results by Politics - Referrals from Houston Chronicle" /></a></p>
<p><a title="Moral Foundation Questionnaire Results by Politics - Referrals from Houston Chronicle" rel="lightbox[44]" href="http://www.polipsych.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/mfq_libcon_houstonchronicle0.JPG"></a><a title="Moral Foundation Questionnaire Results by Politics - Referrals from Dallas Morning News" rel="lightbox[44]" href="http://www.polipsych.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/mfq_libcon_dallasmorningnews0.JPG"><img src="http://www.polipsych.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/mfq_libcon_dallasmorningnews0.JPG" alt="Moral Foundation Questionnaire Results by Politics - Referrals from Dallas Morning News" /></a></p>
<p><a title="Moral Foundation Questionnaire Results by Politics - Referrals from Dallas Morning News" rel="lightbox[44]" href="http://www.polipsych.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/mfq_libcon_dallasmorningnews0.JPG"></a></p>
<p><a title="MFQ Results - Referrals from Conservative Blogger CrunchyCon at BeliefNet" rel="lightbox[44]" href="http://www.polipsych.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/mfq_libcon_crunchycon0.JPG"><img src="http://www.polipsych.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/mfq_libcon_crunchycon0.JPG" alt="MFQ Results - Referrals from Conservative Blogger CrunchyCon at BeliefNet" /></a><a title="MFQ Results - Referrals from Conservative Blogger CrunchyCon at BeliefNet" rel="lightbox[44]" href="http://www.polipsych.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/mfq_libcon_crunchycon0.JPG"></a><a title="mfq_libcon_alternet0.JPG" rel="lightbox[44]" href="http://www.polipsych.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/mfq_libcon_alternet0.JPG"><img src="http://www.polipsych.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/mfq_libcon_alternet0.JPG" alt="mfq_libcon_alternet0.JPG" /></a></p>
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